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if the economy goes over the fiscal cliff even the fed itself does not have you have enough tools to go over against the impact. in terms of lack of investment and in terms of businesses closing their doors and remaining sidelined still for quarters going into 2013. adam: well, lindsey, you again are an economist. which is worse, the spending cut from the sequestration or the tax increase? which hits us, 310 million of us are american citizens. which hits us worse? >> well generally when we talk about the difference between spending cuts or tax increases you have to think of taxes as having 1 1/2 times the impact because what that does, there is a trickle down, in fact. we pull out the dollars from investment that would otherwise go to growing businesses investing in equipment, capital and additional employees. right now that is the biggest impact we're not seeing businesses expand and absorbing out that additional labor supply sitting stagnant on the market right now. that is the biggest implication. that is not what we're going to see. adam: james, if i'm hearing her correctly the tax incr
that the fiscal cliff won't hit the economy right away. tell actually give lawmakers more time to continue negotiating. but how long can our economy take the uncertainty? >> it is not just uncertainty. we have had that factored in. the reality is that unless the president suspends the increase in payroll taxes that are going to take place, not just social security, but withholding for income tax, while they continue to negotiate, we have gone off the cliff. in the month of january, people will live off their credit cards, but they can only do that so long. come february and march, the higher taxes will require adjustments in the spending habits of folk who is make between $25,000 and $100,000 a year. i would point out that this is no reason to give the president everything he wants and pass that bill that he proposes because if the republicans do that, they lose all their leverage. i have news for most people. if we dont curb our spending, everybody's going to have to pay the higher taxes in the end because things are flying out of ceil. >> no one's talking about spending cuts right now t.
ceiling. a lot of smart people argue how quickly the fiscal cliff will damage the economy. we'll talk more in the show about what the timetable will be. here's what you need to know. the treasury department said on monday they need to begin taking action to keep us from breaking through the debt ceiling. they can buy us two months with the tricks they have up their sleeve. if we waste that time, we get to the debt ceiling and we haven't climbed back up the fiscal cliff and the republicans begin playing games with the debt ceiling, that would be fiscal suicide. we breakthrough the debt ceiling, we're talking depression. not a quick recession. it would be the single stupidest and most damaging act of sabotage in american history. and it cannot be allowed to happen. and here, hopefully to tell me why it will not happen is alice, who probably knows more about the budget and the budget deals than probably anybody else alive. she's appointed to president obama's national commission on fiscal responsibility and reform. and she's currently a senior fellow at the brookings institution. thank you fo
at washington play chicken with the fiscal cliff and they're saying, hold on, we have this economy that seems to be gathering some steam but washington, government, congress in particular is the single greatest impediment. it's a rational decision. >> get the act together. john avlon, thank you, my friend. don, it's a lot of intangibles here, don. this is the thing we have to think about. it's not just the tangibles of how much your taxes might go up or how much this might go down. it's the intangible of confidence. it's trust. you lose somebody's trust, how long does it take to get it back. it doesn't just come back tomorrow because you vote on something. >> i can't believe mitch mcconnell was there all day yesterday. >> it's crazy. >> he's working on a saturday. i never work on a saturday. wait a minute, i work every saturday. >> you get your job done. you don't get to tell your bosses, i'm going to do this another time. i'll get down to it in 516 days. >> but one day, one day i will be able to do that, at least i'd like to think that. >>> moving on, at the edge of the fiscal cliff, will th
the fiscal cliff, through the u.s. economy back into recession. it and recover from that until world war ii. host: a point from it. you can join the conversation on our twitter page. you can also send us an e-mail. we welcome your comments and phone calls. frank is joining us from new jersey. independent line. caller: it seems you guys are throwing around a lot of rhetoric. this is all we hear. look at what is happening in the united states as far as wages and productivity. it is a lopsided picture. productivity has gone up, wages have gone down, since 1973 until now. wages have only gone up 10.7%. we lost somewhere around 7% over the last years in wages. pensions are down. they were cut in half in the last 20 years. we are living in an economy based in the 1970's but we have taxes based on some idiotic profile that does not work. in the 1950's and 1960 pause when the taxes were highest, manufacturing grew and grew. we get to reagan, we lower the taxes, and everything goes down the tubes, for 30 years. not taxing the rich, who by the way, when everyone was losing money, they were making all
of that fiscal cliff to a gentle, let's say, bunny slope. we have a fragile economy, but it's accelerating and it's predicted as this year to grow. it grew at 2% to goh at 3% or more this coming year so you want this skier, so to speak to go down the slope and pick up speed so when you do come to the grand bargain that has $3 trillion of debt reduction. all they've got to do is shoulder 1 billion, changing the scale and put the rest of that in the following nine years and that's something that they'll come up with. >> where do they find it? there are various places, and just that, there's $118 billion if you didn't do the payroll tax extension holiday and if you didn't do that at $250,000, that's almost the same equivalent amount or if you wanted to step back and say hey, let's make sure that these defensive, domestic sequestration cuts of $100 billion and half of that and you can take smalles poohes of that and come up to $100 million and know that it will grow close to 3%. that's the key, and that's why they're behind closed doors today. coming up with that, you don't have to have it done by ja
the fiscal cliff will have on the economy and have on consumers and potentially lead us back into as you mentioned what a lot of economists believe, another recession. gregg: what happens when fourth quarter earnings come out? >> nobody is really talking about this. companies, fourth quarter ends in a few days from now. we haven't had many warnings come from companies but when you see consumer confidence falling, mastercard came out with their numbers on holiday sales only increasing .7%. well below estimates and historical averages and consumer is 70% of the economy we'll see a wave of corporations come out earnings in middle of january, end of january, come out much lower than expectations. as senator corker talked about today, the markets have held up very well throughout this, because a lot of people on wall street including myself believed a deal would get done before the end of the year. that is looking less and less likely. if nothing gets done you will see the market tank, less consumer spending. gregg: if consumer spending is 70% of the american economy, and it is clearly, this
. the problem with the fiscal cliff, the thing we're trying to avoid, the actual danger to the economy, is that we will get too much deficit reduction too quickly. if reducing the deficit was what the economy needed we could go right off the cliff and leave it there. you can see it in this graph, that line going down. that is the fiscal cliff, we went over our deficit problems, gone baby, totally, totally gone. one thing the fear of the fiscal cliff shows by the way, in the fox hole, everyone's a kinsian. everyone agrees. that is number one. too much austerity way too quickly. president obama is not asking for that much in taxes. it's worth getting a bit of perspective in here. you'll be shocked to know, we got a graph for that. here's what happens if we go over the cliff. you get more than $5 trillion in tax increases off the bat. and now here's what happens if we pass the sainted simpson bowles plan. you've heard of the plan. they have 2.6 trillion in tax increases. president obama's latest offer to john boehner has 1.2 trillion in taxes. that is half as much, less than half than sim
. >> so despite its name, a lot of strategists say that the fiscal cliff will not hit the economy right away and that could give lawmakers some time to continue negotiating, perhaps, but it's unclear how long the market will tolerate that uncertainty. so, what if no deal is reached and no action is taken? >> well, heather, i actually believe that might be the best outcome of all. when we look at it, there's not really a cliff. what happens on wednesday morning, the first day of the year, we'll roll out of bed and put the gasoline in our car and go to work. so there's not going to be a big change immediately. there will be an increase in taxes, something that's already been agreed to. you know, 12 years ago they agreed to the bush tax cuts would have a sunset provisions and the cuts to spending that will occur were agreed to two years ago with the debt ceiling agreement. so they already have a compromise agreement, they're just trying to change that compromise. >> and speaking of change, what if a partial deal is reached, which is what we're talking about right now, through possibly that
the darn thing was d.o.a. in the senate i? way. the republicans are losing the debate on the fiscal cliff. this is obama's economy. let the president and the democrats own it and own the national debt. own the defense cut. instead, boehner and the gang allow the president to star in his own superhero film. he will cut the hawaiian vacation short and come back to save us mere mortal from the fiscal cliff. winning the optics war and winning it big. juan, how did you get the ball back from the republicans? they had it. this was obama's economy, his face calf cliff. now boehner fails on the vote and next thing you know, the ball is in your court. >> juan: i think you are right. i think boehner at the moment looking weaker. he is out of this altogether at the moment. his troops abandoned him. he is okay keeping the speaker on january 3 when the republican caucus vote but you are hearing rumors about eric cantor who is next to him launching some kind of a coop at the moment. i don't know where it goes. but it seems that he is in a position where the republicans in the senate and the white house
. the republicans are losing the debate on the fiscal cliff. this is obama's economy. let the president and the democrats own it and own the national debt. own the defense cut. instead, boehner and the gang allow the president to star in his own superhero film. he will cut the hawaiian vacation short and come back to save us mere mortal from the fiscal cliff. winning the optics war and winning it big. juan, how did you get the ball back from the republicans? they had it. this was obama's economy, his face calf cliff. now boehner fails on the vote and next thing you know, the ball is in your court. >> juan: i think you are right. i think boehner at the moment looking weaker. he is out of this altogether at the moment. his troops abandoned him. he is okay keeping the speaker on january 3 when the republican caucus vote but you are hearing rumors about eric cantor who is next to him launching some kind of a coop at the moment. i don't know where it goes. but it seems that he is in a position where the republicans in the senate and the white house are really the ones who will negotiate the
in the fiscal cliff if the tax increases and spending cuts come into effect would be bad for the economy and would really hurt housing demand. even if the fiscal cliff is solved, less damaging ways to resolve the fiscal cliff, the housing market still might be affected if the mortgage interest deduction is cut back severely. right now the mortgage interest deduction cost the government roughly $100 billion per year in revenue and getting rid of that would likely increase home values particularly in more expensive areas. gerri: rehear it would put the brakes on selling and home buying in those areas. what are the issues for you? you know all the issues and housing, what are you looking for next year? >> three things have been really important, the first is the inventories of homes for sale are down sharply. that is great news for home sellers because there is less competition. bad news for buyers. demand is also up, rising rent, rising prices, both of those will get urgency. the growth hasn't been great but it has been enough to get people off the fence, people feel more secure so demand
. that is all that remains before our economy falls off the fiscal cliff. tonight we're learning congressional leaders will convene at the white house tomorrow for last-minute talks to avoid tax increases and spending cuts. kron 4's justine waldman has the latest. >> reporter: the economy is getting very close to falling off the fiscal cliff. though a last minute plan could be in the works. on friday, congressional leaders will meet with the president to discuss the standoff. obama and congressional democrats want a deal that would let tax rates rise for the wealthiest taxpayers. many republicans remain against any tax increases. the white house meeting would be the first time the president has huddled with all four leaders since november 16. the senate is back in session. majority leader harry reid is starting to sound pesimistic. >> "i have to be very honest. i don't know how it can happen now." >> reporter: the house is still on christmas break. but will meet sunday evening, a little more than 24 hours before the "fiscal cliff" arrives. but it's not clear what legislation it might consider
our economy back into the recession if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> but ali, neither side is budging much. you have been reporting on it for the last couple of hours. friday though, president obama said that he was optimistic that the two sides could reach a deal. this morning, he sounded less positive though. >> if, you know, if people start seeing that on january 1st, this problem still has not been solved, that we haven't seen the kind of deficit reduction that we could have had, had the republicans been willing to take the deal they gave them, and if they say that people's taxes have gone up which means consumer spending will go down. >> and keep in mind that the senate is the first hurdle. any deal has to pass the house. we are not into the senate yet and the republican speaker john boehner plablamed the crisis one president saying he the one who has never found a way to say yes. >> so you are in new york and i'm in atlanta, and we get to washington now, because the senior congressional correspondent dana bash is closely following the negotiations from capitol hill, a
, but the republicans win because the economy is going to go out yet another fiscal cliff. george w. bush is not the president. obama is the president, he is not putting forth proposals to work with republicans. he will have to take ownership of this. they need to come up with a cohesive message about real economic growth and shrinking the size of government. they don't have a message and that is going to be the big question about who wins and long-run. jon: if we go over the cliff, i mean, everyone's paycheck, just about -- come january 1, it will be shrunk because government is going to be taking a much bigger chunk out of it. that will infuriate people. are they going to be blaming president obama? >> well, they won't be blaming president obama because polls show that they are blaming republicans. republicans are not really coming to the table. we had an election, and we had an election where voters clearly supported the president. jon: he got 50.96% of the population. >> he got over 300 electoral votes. romney only have one battleground state. tons of senate victories, again in the ho
.s. economy going over the fiscal cliff. the president will meet with congressional leaders at the whiteout at about 3:00 p.m. eastern. speaker john boehner has called the house back into session sunday evening. house majority leader eric cantor is telling members to be prepared to work through january 2nd. both sides are still far apart on taxes and spending cuts. spending majority leader says harry reid says prospects for monday are unlikely. senate majority leader believes there is still time for an agreement to be reached. >> republicans aren't about to sign a blank just just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. that wouldn't be fair to the american people. >> alistair newton joins us here as a new reuters poll shows americans blame republicans more than democrats or president obama for the fiscal crisis. 27% cited the gop is responsible. 16% blaming the president, 6% pointing to the democrats while 31% said they would blame all of the above for going over the cliff. alistair newton, you've seen the attitudes of the american people. i guess we're going over the cliff. >>
the fact that if we go over this fiscal cliff, the press to deal economy, just barely recovering, is very strong. the risk to people is as though they are playing tug of war with the american economy and a country that's going to get hurt. beyond that, as soon as we get through to the fiscal cliff with sensible policies, but also replacing it with sensible ways to deal with the fiscal charges of the debt, it looks as though we're not going to be able to do anything to tackle those challenges right now and that is a partisan environment in washington getting worse and worse leaving us with questions about whether these guys are actually able to govern. host: that is what is written about on the front page of "the new york times" this morning. guest: i feel like we're watching a game of a finger pointing. there is little discussion of actual public policy, but both sides are shouting louder and louder that it is the other sides fault, pointing fingers. what if any other business environment work this way? both sides tried to cast blame instead of working together? at this point, the level o
. we have 1400 employees around the world. the fiscal cliff is scary. another recision, higher unemployment, economic slowdown. tax money taken out of the economy. those are major concerns. we're going to have to react as a business and it could result in cut backs. the fiscal cliff was meant to be something that nobody wanted to go anywhere near and here we are about to go off it. we really need our elected officials to figure this out, keep our economy growing and gives us some certainty about the future so we can make our plans as business leaders. we're all having such a great year in the gulf, we've decided to put aside our rivalry. 'cause all our states are great. and now is when the gulf gets even better. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride or just lay in the sun. enjoy the wildlife and natural beauty. and don't forget our amazing seafood. so come to the gulf, you'll have a great time. especially in alabama. you mean mississippi. that's florida. say louisiana or there's no dessert. brought to you by bp and all of us who call the gulf home.
list again? ho ho ho! >> forget the fiscal cliff. eric: forget the fiscal cliff, what about a container cliff and what that might do to the economy. a a nasty standoff between union workers and the companies could cripple the nation. unless two groups reach a deal, theyun planted strike down plano strike this weekend.if if the strike happened, some reports estimate for a billion dollars per day. >> there's no question, use the righte words, cripple the economy. the backbone of the trade on the export and import, eric. about $100 billion or more comes in and out where you have to have these strikes. co it is very devastating and could reverberate throughout thees country. food distributors, everybody would be affected by this strike if it goesrd forward. eric: what do the unions want and what is management willing to do, how far apart are these two groups? >> normally in a dispute with the unions it is about wages and benefits in this case it is not. what the unions are objecting to with reports i have been seeingu is new work rules andort deficiencies that support systems want to put i
the looming fiscal cliff is forcing consumers to lose coconfidence in the nation's economy. it said on thursday that its consumer price index fell sharply in december for the second consecutive month. that's the lowest level since august. for the fifth consecutive year, investors have pulled their money out of the stock market. it's estimated to be about 380 billi billion. wall street stocks safrmg for a fourth consecutive day and the dow lost 18 points. the nasdaq was off 4 points. >>> the housing market shows new signs of a rebound. they said on thursday that the sale of new homes rose by 4.5% from the month before. that's the fastest pace in two years. >>> dangerously low water levels could force shipping to stop between st. louis and illinois on the mississippi river next week. the mississippi is suffering from months of severe drought. it does $7 million of trade in february and january. >>> a potential strike by dockworkers could cost the nation millions. more than 14 long shoreman are threatened to walk out on monday. it could shut ports down from boston to houston. they move
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troubles for the u.s. economy if a deal to avert the fiscal cliff cannot be reached. jpmorgan's chief u.s. economist will join us live a little later on to explain the biggest risks in his view now that investors face. we're back in two. >>> if lawmakers fail to create a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff by january 1st, federal work study will be cut by over $76 million. and over 51,000 fewer students would receive aid. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. i'd like to be optimistic. but it looks like they're going to blow. >> the real linchpin is whether john boehner can bring his troops along. that's a real tough one
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. the big worries about the fiscal cliff and how that's going to affect the economy as a whole. you look at oil prices and they have barely moved since late october. oil prices are between $85 to $90 a barrel since late october. and when oil prices stabilize for a longer time, as they have been, it gives gas prices a better chance to stabilize as well. but you look at it broadly, though, the gas prices are not falling for the the right reason. we could go back into a recession and it's those concerns for a downturn in the economy that are actually pushing prices lower. >> all right. alison kosik, live from the new york stock exchange. thank you as always. >>> the head of the national rifle association says to call him crazy for proposing more guns in schools. the nra's ceo wayne lapierre insists a ban on assault weapons won't prevent mass killings, which he blames on violent video games and the media. he says armed guns eed guards are the best way to prevent tragedies. >> if it's crazy to call for putting police and armed security in our school to protect our children, then call me craz
have a huge impact on our economy just when it's most vulnerable to the approaching fiscal cliff. business groups and state leaders are now calling on the president to intervene, warning that a strike could really cost the country billions of dollars. if history is any indication, those warnings may be dead on. a lockout on the west coast back in 2002, remember that? lasted a total of ten days, and it cost the economy an estimated $1 billion each and every day. >>> a strike at the ports of los angeles and long beach earlier this month lasted eight days, an estimated loss of $650 million a day. a republican strategist and a former campaign aide for president george w. bush, julie roginsky is former political adviser to new jersey senate frank lautenberg. good to see you both. >> good to see you. gregg: didi, smoot-holly was passed decades ago for the purpose of putting tariff limits on incoming products. do we need to reexplore that? >> yeah. this was, this was back in the '60s. i mean, this was ancient history. why should these workers who get paid very well also get on top of th
a fiscal cliff. that's when automatic spending increases and spending cuts would take effect. -- a deal will not be easy, because both sides are involved in a high-stakes political blame game. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching the kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> i told the president we would be happy to look at whatever he proposes. the truth is we are coming up against a hard deadline. this is a conversation we should have had months ago. clerk democrats want to extend bush-era tax cuts to everyone except those americans making to a hundred $50,000 or more per year. many republicans are against any tax increases. -- democrats want to extend bush-era tax cuts to everyone except those americans making $250,000 per year. >> d.c. mayor vincent gray says the christmas eve killing on capitol hill is a rallying cry to put more police on the streets in city neighborhoods. his comments come days after jason emma was shot while parking his car in the 1
meters. we have about 1,400 employees around the world. the fiscal cliff is scary and should be scary. another recession. higher unemployment. economic slowdown. tax money taken out of the economy. those are major concerns. we're going to have to react as a business and it could result in cutbacks. the fiscal cliff was meant to be something that nobody wanted to go anywhere near, and here we are about to go off it. we really need our elected officials to figure this out. come up with a reasonable compromise that keeps our economy growing and gives us some certain about the future so we can make our plans as business leaders. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. >>> fiscal cliff fears pushing stocks lower but we're well off tho
following president obama's announcement that he would cut his vacation short to deal with fiscal cliff negotiations. hoping that the real estate market would bolster the economy in 2013. we are learning that holiday sales this year were the weakest since 2008. they had a grim outlook for a fiscal cliff deal and the impact of the tragedy in newtown. on the radar this morning, chilling details in the christmas eve firefighter ambush. we could find out soon who will be saying aloha to the senate and a broken record in the house of representatives. new details out of webster, new york. william spangler set a car and house on fire and ambushed firefighters, opening fire on them as they arrive on the scene. police found a note he left behind saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and do what i like doing best, killing people. a convicted felon who spent 17 years in prison for killing his grandmother with a hammer was armed with three firearms including a bushmaster, the same gun used in the school massacre. he may have killed his sister and the home had human remains believed to be h
the u.s. economy from going off the fiscal cliff. after a late afternoon meeting with the top four congressional leaders at the white house, president obama offered this assessment. >>> i'm modestly optimistic -- nobody is going to get 100% of what they want. but let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy and in fact the world economy aren't adversely impacted because people can't do their jobs. >> sources say house speaker are john boehner deferred to senate colleagues and told them house leaders would consider, accept or amend their plan. what s not expected to be included in any deal is increasing the debt limit, something democrats have wanted and republicans have resisted. >> we he haded a long meeting in the white house and it was constructive. we hope that it will bear fruit. but that is what we hoped a lot. i think that the next 24 hours will be very instructive as to what we are able to accomplish. >> if it doesn't work president obama wants lawmakers to vote on what would essentially be plan c. here is what it would include. focusing on three key
. this isn't always a good sign about the economy. in the face of the fiscal cliff there is concern about what will happen with taxes and american consumers income in the new year. they're backing off of energy consumption. that is leading to lower prices. for the trading, overall volume is half of its 100 a average. we're seeing light participation in those markets and as of today crude down 8%. we are watching natural-gas prices as whether roles throughout the country. folks are using more natural gas pushing prices up, contrary to crude-oil prices going down, the energy report is daily, but it showed 72 cubic feet draw down in line with expectations but still a very big drawdown pushing prices higher. natural gas prices up 12% so far this year so folks are paying more to heat their homes than the same time last year. adam: thank yoo from the floor of the cme. retail sales of of the worst holiday season in four years. will there be discounts to help retailers close 2012 on a better note? joining us to talk about this is christian bets. may i call you kristy? >> yes you may. adam: a plea
about the economy even if you take the fiscal cliff off the table. the suggestion was actually that coming into this we're actually in a much better position given the housing situation, given some of the new energy things that are going on, that maybe all of this doom and gloom is unfounded. fair? unfair? >> fair. undoubtedly we're in a better position today than we were a year ago. the housing market has healed. companies, especially the big companies, are doing great. they have lots of cash, and consumer household balances are improving. so undoubtedly, the economy is healing slowly. but it's not healing at a critical mass. so unless government sorts out the headwinds, unless government corrects market failures and public goods issues, we're not going to have enough critical mass to get into higher growth, lower unemployment, and better income equality. that's the issue. >> that's the issue now. but mohamed, just going back and trying to figure out why the market hasn't reacted more strongly do this you think it's more of a bet on the fed than on the idea that we do see some
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to reach an agreement or the u.s. economy will go off the so- called "fiscal cliff." that's when automatic spending increases and cuts would take effect. reaching a deal won't be easy because both sides are involved in a high stakes political blame game. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching the kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> i told the president we would be happy to look at wah he proposes but the truth is we are coming up against a hard deadline and as i said this is a conversation we should have had months ago. >> reporter: democrats want to extend the bush-era tax cuts to everyone except those americans making $250,000 or more a year. many republicans are against any tax increases. most americans just want something to be done. >> people are just tired of partisanship and they want everyone to come together. >> reporter: if lawmakers don't reach a deal by january 1, many economists are concerned it could eventually lead to another recession. i'm
the bill through without pulling the fiscal cliff, our economy will improve the tax revenues from that will be more than he would get from the rich now. host: appreciate the call. let's go to oklahoma, a line for republicans. caller: i am so disgusted with both political parties. it seems they are putting their party before their country. and i want these politicians to know they are the ones that have been up there for years and spent all this money and now the average person will be the one who will have to pay, and i believe they are being bought off by the 2%. right is right, wrong is wrong, and to take away from the needy and cut food stamps from people who qualify -- it takes an act of congress to qualify. i cannot understand that these people are protecting the 2% of the country. host: jefferson city, missouri, you are on. go ahead. caller: yeah, i think boehner should be removed from the speaker of the house, and president obama should be in and his entire staff, including hillary clinton. i do not know if you have noticed but nancy pelosi, her eyes are consistently dilate
the democratic controlled senate to lead our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. congress people from both parties are searching for a bipartisan solution. that is the leadership that america needs, not what we saw from the president this morning ." those of the comments from speaker boehner. the house has gaveled out. we expect them back in about two hours. let's go to newbury port. caller: thank you for c-span. i do not understand where this $250,000 number comes from. i am 70 and have never been asked to make a sacrifice by any congress. it just seems to me that if the average income in most states -- to ask people making $125,000 or more, to ask them to contribute more, that seems to be a no- brainer. i do not see why people in this country are not ready to make a compromise. let's face it, we will either all have to pay slightly more taxes and accept the fact that our benefits are going to have to be lower than they really are -- i am in that bracket of $125,000 to $250,000. i am very comfortable, i could contribute more to the deficit, i just want to make sure that that money goes to
the fiscal cliff dividend taxes could triple. and that would have a significantly negative impact on our economy's ability to sustain growth. and think about, you know, this idea, this false idea, frankly, that it won't impact anybody that makes less than 250,000 or whatever the cap is you want. >> right. >> our average age of people that own dividend-paying stocks is about 65 years old. their average income is between 70 to $75,000. yeah, they're not subject to the $250,000 but in fact, if you reduce the after tax yield of these kinds of investments that people select because of their low risk and they use the dividends to supplement their retirement income, if you reduce the after tax yield, stock values drop. we have already seen that. david: because of all this breaking news i want to bring you back and i really want to focus you a little more specifically and dividend tax is something you're hot about but i want to talk to you about whether you're getting squeezed. i'm looking at 300 to $400 billion gap the president will have even after the tax increases. i think he will go after y
ahead? steve liesman has that for us. >> this could be the fiscal cliff game at home report. now that there is a plan in motion, can you see some of the things that are in play here. the revenue side of the fiscal cliff $520 billion, spending side, $130 billion. some piece of that is going to go away if indeed they do end up capping the increases of those at $400,000, 450 and above. we don't know how much. perhaps the vast bulk of it could go away. no discussion on wlornt automatic spending cuts for this year would be affected at all. there's the total 650. impact of the total fiscal cliff this year and by way of contrast or comparison, here is the gdp effect. we gained in nominal terms and that's why going over the cliff means negative growth, it means a recession. here is some of the detail of what we ever talking about here. 620 billion. that's the total revenue. depends on which numbers you use. moving on, per capitia effect, it affects different people differently. 26.2 million is the number of americans that will see an increase in taxes subject to amt that alternate taxati
bargain. so i don't really buy the aurm that if you smooth out the fiscal cliff, then you go on and do other things. >> with the speed bump, if you're going too slow, which the economy is, if it's a big one, you go up and you might want make it over. and then if you're going too fast, you go up in the air, take out your transmission. >> what happens if you have a low car? >> it's bad. you hurt your undercarriage. but spain and the undercarriage is not something any of us need. but i think that howard dean, we didn't have time to go back and get howard and stuff. but howard said the best deal the democrats are going to get is to go over the fiscal cliff. taxes go up, then you go the republicans in position where they're getting the lower taxes. then patti murray. >> i just hope that people are paying attention that what we are seeing is basically the best world for politicians, they put off the and then everybody is going to pretend, oh, it's something happened. and nobody in the meantime is representing the interest of the american people. you know, we've got both parties in a position
that the fiscal cliff is disadvantageous to the economy in terms of jobs and taxes but if we know we are going over the cliff that provides policy certainty that allows corporations to act within the certainty of the new tax regime that comes out of it and it will help the deficit. i am speaking anathema but that is certainty. shibani: 70 -- dennis: something wins and the economy could make stocks right at some point. thank you very much, jim laventhol. here's one retail segment that did great. gun, rifle and ammunition sales are skyrocketing following the backlash against guns at the connecticut elementary school. the world's largest supplier of firearms says it sold 3.5 years worth of ammunition clips for automatic weapons in just three days and a gun shop owner north carolina says gun sales for christmas or four times better than last year. many customers blame talk of stricter gun control for driving the rush. unintended consequences. let's look at gun stocks. the images that so smith and wesson, they are down. the middle of their sales are probably up. shibani: one of the most profitable
that happens with the fiscal cliff. >> who gets us through that? anyone left? >> well, your guess is as good as mine. white house people say that obama refuses to negotiate and he believes that the public is behind him, but it is not a compelling argument no the house republica republican, and that is the huge danger that people are focusing on which is the debt limit, because it is not part of the discussions, and that means we will go through it again in 60 or 90 days. >> thank you, josh green from bloomberg business. that is "hardball" for now, and coming up next is "your business" with jj ramberg. that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. see what's new from campbell's. progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? ye
the uncertainty the fiscal cliff has wrought in the economy. here's an interesting comment from senator tim johnson, your colleague, a democrat. sometimes all the market takes is to make them see the light. that is via politico. if you don't get a deal and the markets are closed tomorrow, and you open to a couple of really big down days, is that all it takes to strike a deal? >> i hope not. hopefully congress has learned what failure to strike a deal can mean to the american economy. >> is that thought still fresh? >> it's fresh in our mind. i remember the deal we had to pass on t.a.r.p. to help our financial markets. i don't want to revisit that again. >> we've heard all kinds of stuff this morning. as you noi, senator, you probably hear this from your constituents, they're so disinterested in the process, they're so disinterested in the sausage being made. what they want to know if that there are like minded, good, smart people in that congress we're looking at right now who all have phones and blackberrys and actually work in the same building. is there enough good will to ensure that a
move. >>> going over the fiscal cliff could have a huge impact on the local economy. thousands of people could lose their jobs, especially federal employees and government contractors. the defense industry could face billions of dollars in cuts. >> i represent the third largest number of federal employees and probably the largest single number of federal contractors. so that federal nexus is really important to our economy. we immediate to end the uncertainty. >> economists say it is possible, though, this new terminology to step over if you will the cliff. that means lawmakers will reach some kind of a deal a few weeks after the new year begins. >>> retailers are bracing for more bad news as thousands of workers at u.s. ports are preparing to strike. jackie deangelis live with that story and more. jackie? >> good morning, aaron. time is running short to avoid a possible strike this weekend at more than a dozen east and gulf coast ports stretching from maine to texas. more than 14,000 long shore men could walk off the job when their contract expires tomorrow in a long-running p
to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> if in fact we do go over the fiscal cliff it means the economy is going to go down pretty sharply. [ buzzing ] bye dad. drive safe. k. love you. [ chirping, buzzing continues ] [ horn honks ] [ buzzing continues ] [ male announcer ] the sprint drive first app. blocks and replies to texts while you drive. we can live without the &. visit sprint.com/drive. . gregg: you expect accrued of lines when you're shopping. how about sharks? look at those cameras rolling. a giant aquarium bursts, e phroedz insid explodes inside a mall in sang high china it sends glass, water, everywhere, including sharks. fortunately the sharks weren't terribly hungry at the moment and they didn't get very far. patti ann: george h.w. bush is in intensive care at a houston hospital battling a subject born fever. the former president has been sick for a few weeks now. on november 7th he was admitted to methodist hospital in houston what cough. he was later released only to be readmitted on november 23rd. by december 13th a hospital spokesman said the former president was improving and should
is that the fiscal cliff is a way that we would put a ton of economic damage in the economy and a lot of uncertainty about whether washington can govern. but just as important or using that fiscal cliff and not going over it and using that moment to put that bigger debt deal that you were talking about into place and it seems that policymakers who all know we need to do it with both the spending, and just unwilling to make the hard choices and that will be another december and if we have some kind of bipartisan punt that makes the situation worse, not better and citizens across the country and they shouldn't expect this, and in the long run. >> and it has not been able to come under -- this is what he wrote of you, in part, quote, she, like pretty much all of the deficits go, actually empowers hyperpartisanship by always condemning both sides equally no matter who is, and in practice, these days that almost always means making excuses for hard liners and the gop. are you an excusemaker? >> listen, anybody who is a member of congress was elected and sent there. that means that they reflect the voters
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